On Christian Witchcraft

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On Christian Witchcraft by Jamie Rohrbaugh | FromHisPresence.com BlogHave you ever noticed that Christians do certain things out of habit, or because the activity sounds really spiritual?

Yes? I have too. As a matter of fact, I think some forms of worship fit in this category.

Last year, when the Lord was bringing me into greater understanding about His constant presence (He is with us everywhere and all the time), I started to notice something about Christian worship:

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    We spend an awful lot of time trying to get God to come.

    No, seriously. Pay attention next time you are in a worship service. There are a lot of songs out there that do this. I used to think most of these songs were great.

    But then I started noticing the problem.

    So many songs ask God to come. But yet, if we are worshipping the God of Heaven–God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit–then He is already here.

    Nevertheless, we think that if we sing three fast songs, and three slow songs–all of which ask Him to come–then at the end of those six songs, He’ll magically appear. We’re hoping that, somewhere before the outtro of Song #6, we’ll get knocking knees and teary eyes and poof! Voila! God enters!

    When we do that, we are trying to conjure God up.

    I know it sounds tough, but it’s true. And trying to conjure God up is Christian witchcraft. 

    It’s also pointless.

    Why is it pointless?

    Because God can’t give us something that He has already given. He has already given us His Presence. He can’t take it back; it’s His very nature to be present everywhere at the same time (i.e. “omnipresent”). He cannot deny Himself.

    That means that, no matter where you are, all of God, and all of His attributes, are with you right now. Additionally, everything He can do is here, right now.

    So when we spend our time in worship asking God to come, I imagine Him sitting in Heaven, biting His tongue, and wishing we’d move on so He could actually do something with our worship service.

    So here’s what I’m wondering…

    Could we just abandon Christian witchcraft, please?

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    Could we start worshipping God as He really is?

    • Could we worship from the perspective that God is already here, and He’s already in a good mood?
    • Could we worship from the perspective that Jesus already bought and paid for everything He’ll ever do in our lives, so He’s ready and willing to get on with it?
    • Could we start thanking Him for being here already, instead of begging Him to come?

    It’s all about perspective.

    If you want to, you can walk in the manifest presence of God every moment that you are alive. You can live under an open heaven.

    You just have to believe that what God said about Himself and His relationship with you is true.

    The veil in the temple that separated man from God was torn when Jesus died. You have His Spirit without measure now. Everything God is and everything He has is available to you right this minute.

    So meditate on it. Thank Him for it. Pray like you believe it. And worship a God Who Is here, not a God you hope will someday show up.

    You’ll be amazed at the results.

    Have you ever noticed the difference between trying to get God to come, and believing that He’s already here? If so, what are your thoughts on this subject? Please share in the comments below.

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    1. AMEN! You are so RIGHT ON! The GOD of heaven is all that you said… HERE NOW! I have heard this for years from Him! I am so thankful that you have used your platform to preach the truth from the roof top! 🙂

      1. Yay! Thanks, Amanda! I only hope it makes a difference! 🙂 Thanks so much for visiting, and hope to see you back often! 🙂

    2. Danielle Weldon says:

      I agree with you Jamie. I still have to work on receiving everything I already have, but I have definitely changed the words in some of the worship songs when I sing them out to Him. I thank Him for coming and rescuing me, and praise Him for all that He has done and given me. Now I need to go read your blog on living in an open heaven. 🙂 Thank you for the good words….good stuff. Praise Jesus for our teachers He has raised up!

    3. God has made you awesome, Jamie. I believe you’re right, I was wondering this lately so thank you for hearing the Holy Spirit!

      1. It’s all Him, Lindsey! Thanks so much for reading! Yeah, this is a subject I’m passionate about, if you couldn’t tell. 😉

    4. David Lawlor says:

      Sister Rohrbaugh,

      I just read your article. It really made me think. Do you believe that there is a corporate presence of God that can only be experienced by two or three or more Christians gathering in His name? If we all carry the Spirit of the Lord with in us and we bring Him to church with us, doesn’t the promise of Jesus being there with us, so long as we are two or three or more, give us a picture and a goal to not only have God arise up from within us, but to have the corporate presence of God rain down on us? Moreover, hungering and thirsting for this gathering and corporate presence cannot be witchcraft, since it is good and holy and encouraged in scripture. King David longed to be in God’s presence and although I can develop scenarios where witchcraft could occur in a worship service, I think that it is very rare. What do you think about this Maam’ I am not sowing discord or mocking you. I am serious and I am curious as to your thoughts on this. I have been considering this for a long time. Thank you for your time and response!!

      1. Hi David. Great question. I think that special thing that happens in corporate gatherings and corporate worship is not presence, but manifestation. It’s not possible for Him to not already be there, according to Psalm 139:7-10. However, there’s a special manifestation of His glory, and a revealing of His presence, that comes when we gather corporately.
        That’s what I believe. Hope this helps. Thanks so much for reading my blog!

    5. I love this word! We forget that worship starts at the throne of GOD and when we worship, we are entering into something that has been ongoing!

    6. OKKK WHEW I THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY!! I would be in church and they would be singing songs about Jesus will heal us, and will set us free, and I would be thinking if He did all this why are we asking Him to do it again. I got so mad one day and He said you don’t have to ask for what already belongs to you He said it was like asking someone if I could drive my own car that belongs to me hehehe I just love HIM !! I was like thank YOU FATHER because we can’t get loose if we keep ourselves bound and we can’t blame satan for everything!! Thank you Jamie for being so obedient to Daddy and guess what else I have come to realize from reading different things on your blogs, praying those prayers and accepting my position in HIM also from hearing other passionate sister and brothers……THAT I A DADDY’S FAVORITE AND HE WANTS TO LOAD ME WITH BENEFITS, HE WANTS TO POUR NEW WINE AND OIL INTO MY VESSELS THAT I HAVE STREAMS OF INCOME FLOWING FROM MY BELLY AND THAT HE WILL TELL ME WHAT HE WANTS ME TO DO IF I JUST LISTEN AND OBEY!!!! That song “FLY” by Jason Upton that you posted a lil while ago has been a true blessing to my spirit I have to listen to it at least once a day but then it can’t be just once I have to listen again because I will start singing and Daddy will remind me that I am not listening lol, He likes to do that to me and I thank Him…..Love you guys

    7. Lisa Sharpe says:

      This has been a pet peeve if not a disruption in my spirit for a long time. While it’s great to step into that place of deep worship, I have at times perceived it as saying an incantation. Thanks, Jamie for calling attention to it!

    8. Wow I never thought of this before. You are right God is already here He lives inside each of us. How long do we go along in life as blind men? Praise God for His mercy endures forever!!! What an awesome God!!

    9. Thanks Jamie, The Lord has already given me this revelation and I have since changed some of the songs that I sing. Thanks for teaching this.

    10. Chelsie Yeung says:

      Thanks so much for your post Jamie. I really enjoy reading your thoughts and insights and they’ve very often aligned with what Jesus has been showing me. Do you think that this same mentality may often be applied to speaking in the spirit as well? This an area where I struggle to understand/accept the congregational/group benefits from the worship leader/pastor encouraging everyone to branch off into speaking in tongues to draw closer to the Lord, when I just really want to tell my Lord how much I adore him in my own human simple, if not inadequate, words. It is not that I don’t believe in speaking in the spirit, it’s just I believe there is a time and place and the Holy Spirit himself urges this time and place- for me, its private and its personal and it’s between him and he moves when he wants to. Is this old fashioned ideology?

    11. Lilliana Markovic says:

      Hi Jamie, thank you for affirming what I have strongly believed in for many years, irrespective of the preaching that has occasionally come from the pulpit, in terms of stirring yourself up in the most holiest of faith, (although there is a place for the stirring up.) Jamie, you are a blessing and are definitely plugged into the True Vine – thank you for being a true apostle of The Word. God Bless you & your family Jamie. If you ever decide to come over to Australia, please know you have accomodation ready for you. God has blessed us with a beautiful triple story home for you to stay and enjoy.

    12. Judy Robinson says:

      LOVE IT Jamie! You said what I have thought many times! I have reminded myself that often worship is to get the cobwebs from our brains and acknowledge God’s glory! We waste so much time! We seem to have to work hard to “get in the mood” for love with our Father! Sad!!! If we can keep more of that praise going on continuously… we will recognize HE IS WITH US ALWAYS and we dont have to cast a spell or beg to spend time with him….keep bringing it girl!

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